Success happens to you; significance happens through you. Jory and Karen explore the final three of twelve principles from the book, Living the Significant Life – 12 Principles for Making a Difference, for those who are hungry for more than the traditional definition of success. This episode will be a discussion on Principle #10 (Believe in Belief), Principle #11 (Strengthen Your Commitment), and Principle #12 (Make a Choice). Hear how you can have a life with purpose, passion, AND success while, most importantly, blessing others.
About Karen Hirsch
Karen Hirsch rose to the top of the Dallas publishing world with the launch of the premier architecture and interior design publication, Luxe Magazine. She then created Women of Hope, a division of EMSquared, which focuses on her passion of empowering women around the world to make a living while making a difference in the lives of malnourished children.
Karen’s Success Tip
The greatest power a person possesses is the power to choose. You need only choose…then keeping choosing as many times as necessary.
Karen’s Verse of the Day
Until I come and take you to a land like your own-a land of grain and new wine, a land of bread and vineyards, a land of olive trees and honey. Choose life not death! ~ 2 Kings 18:32
Jory’s Success Tip
Stop all negative self-talk. Choose to treat yourself the way you enjoy being treated!
Jory’s Verse of the Day
“…Now choose life not death so that you and your children may live.” ~Deuteronomy 30:19
Listen to Jory and Karen by clicking the audio player below.
Piano music by David Nevue.
Living the Significant Life with Purpose, Passion and Desire – Part 5
Heart & Soul for Women of Faith
Year 6, Episode 207
Jory Fisher: Hello and welcome to Heart & Soul for Women of Faith, a radio show designed specifically for Christian women leaders and entrepreneurs. My co-hosts and I focus our discussions on how to live a joyful and purposeful life by developing healthy bodies and souls, healthy minds and finances, and healthy relationships. Our goal is to help you nourish your physical, mental, and spiritual well-being so you can make the difference you’re called to make and glorify God through success. I’m Jory Fisher, a featured host on BlogTalkRadio with my
co-host and lovely friend Karen Hirsch. Karen is the creator and director of the Women of Hope Division of EMSquared and is passionate about empowering women around the world to make a living while making a difference in the lives of malnourished children. Good evening, Karen, and thank you so much for joining me for Year 6, Episode 207 of Heart & Soul for Women of Faith. How are you this evening?
Karen Hirsch: Jory, I am fantastic. How are you?
Jory Fisher: Good. I’m doing great. Here we are, summertime in Maryland, and I’m kind of glad I’m not in Dallas, Texas, in the summer time. I love Dallas, don’t get me wrong, but I prefer to be in Maryland this time of year.
Karen Hirsch: I get it. I totally get it. If I show up at your house in August, you understand why.
Jory Fisher: Completely. All right, well, before we start our conversation, Karen and I would like to tell you a little bit about who we are and how we fulfill our calling. As a Professional Certified Coach and Top Six Expert, I specialize in helping Christian leaders and entrepreneurs get crystal clear on their calling and create healthy lives and businesses so they can make a bigger, more meaningful contribution to the world. Please visit JoryFisher.com to sign up for free e-books and to enjoy hundreds of blog posts and radio show podcasts.
Also like Karen, as an Ambassador for the EMSquared Project, I’m helping eliminate childhood malnutrition through the sustainable model of social entrepreneurship. Please visit JoryFisher.com/ShareHope to learn about this quickly growing global movement and how you, too, can get involved. So Karen, your turn, would you please introduce yourself to our listeners?
Karen Hirsch: Absolutely. I’m Karen Hirsch and, like Jory said, I’m also an Ambassador for EMSquared, otherwise known as the Hope Bar Project, which, as Jory said, is a social business that actually pays people to help eradicate childhood malnutrition. I’m also the creator of the project’s women’s division, Women of Hope, which is a collaborative community of women who empower one another by partnering, seeking, and providing support in and through our journey to grow the Hope Bar Project worldwide and get rid of this prolific epidemic of childhood malnutrition.
Jory Fisher: A worthy cause, a worthy, worthy cause. We will talk about that a little bit more a little bit later in the show. So now just a few words about Heart & Soul for Women of Faith, which airs on Wednesday evenings at 8:30 PM Eastern on BlogTalkRadio. You can listen to any of our archived on demand episodes, follow this show, and add Heart & Soul to your iTunes library by going to BlogTalkRadio.com/JoryFisher. We encourage you to share Heart & Soul with your friends and family using the social media icons on BlogTalkRadio and JoryFisher.com, and to post your comments and questions for us on my Facebook page, Jory Hingson Fisher.
Well, we have been covering a wonderful book. Karen, say what that book is and what topics we’ll be covering today.
Karen Hirsch: We have worked through the book, Living the Significant Life: 12 Principles for Making a Difference, by Peter Hirsch and Robert Shemin. We are on the final three principles which are Believe in Belief, Strengthen Your Commitment, and Make a Choice. My personal favorite is the very last principle, Make a Choice.
Jory Fisher: Yes, it does help. We can’t just sit on our keister, as they say, which actually means suitcase. Anyway, I’m interested in details like that. But we can’t just sit on our keisters and think life is going to happen. We have to make some choices as we go along. So I’m with you there, girl. I’m with you there. Everybody, if you’re listening to this for the first time, please make sure you go back and listen to the other conversations Karen and I have had about this wonderful book, Living A Significant Life. You can find them on my website, JoryFisher.com and of course on BlogTalkRadio/JoryFisher. Do make sure that you listen to the other chapters; but here we are with Chapter 10 Believe in Belief, Chapter 11 Strengthen Your Commitment, and Chapter 12 Make a Choice. So let’s start with Believe in Belief. What do you like the most about that or what really jumped out at you, Karen, as you read that chapter?
Karen Hirsch: I would say out of all the principles, this one was… it took me a little bit longer to process and get my head around because what they are saying and if you take the time to process it, the underlying scene is… even though our beliefs are feelings of certainty it doesn’t mean that our beliefs are the absolute truth. However, if we operate as though our beliefs are the truth, then really, that gives you the freedom to change your beliefs whenever you want and I know that’s a very ambiguous statement. It took me a minute to really understand kind of the direction they were taking it, but we typically think that our results in life, the results of any endeavor or any action cause our feelings, but really, that is not the only way it works. You can first have your feelings that cause the result, if that makes any sense at all. It takes a minute to sink in.
Jory Fisher: Well, you know, if we think about, okay, here’s an example. We get up in the morning and we’re all gloom and doom. Just crawling out of bed, just barely functioning, and starting to think some negative thoughts… that negative self-talk comes in… kind of doubtful that you’re going to have a super productive day. I’m thinking about sales for example. Jeffrey Gitomer wrote this wonderful book called The Sales Bible. He says that if you start out the week on Monday, most people have the Monday through Friday work week going on… So if you start out making a sale or initiating a prospect call or something that makes you feel all pumped up inside, you’re going to have a great week and similarly, if you close out the week with a sale or perhaps or a conversation that is likely lead to a sale, then you’re going to have a great weekend.
So it’s like that infinity symbol. They just kind of go back and forth. Actions give you good feelings and feelings give you action, and of course, positivity, positive thoughts are woven throughout there as well. So I agree, it does kind of take a while but it’s true. Your feelings can definitely bring about/affect the results.
Karen Hirsch: Well, and you can decide your beliefs. You can decide positive or negative beliefs. It’s really your choice and it really is just the possibilities, the possibility of what we believe that matters and then we discover that possibilities, even when we have the most limiting evidence at hand, we still have a choice. Develop beliefs that limit or develop beliefs that inspire. It’s really that simple.
Jory Fisher: Simple. Mm-hmm.
Karen Hirsch: I know, it’s easy to say but I would be honest, this one was tough because you think your belief is based on what you’ve seen and what your experiences, and what they are saying is great things have been accomplished through the belief that they could be accomplished. Not that they have been accomplished or somebody else had accomplished them. So belief is very, very important and then taking it next further into action. Your beliefs will inspire action and obviously the only thing to get anything done is through action.
Jory Fisher: Yes, and you know what, I’m thinking about it. I think it was our conversation last month where we talked about playing positive tapes in our head of what’s going to happen, and you kind of jokingly said that if we could see those tapes that were going through your head, we’d get a good chuckle out of it. Sometimes, we do have to imagine ourselves as Superwoman or something. Like, “I can do this. I can get up there in front of 1,000 people and talk to them. I can, I can. I think I can. I know I can.”
Karen Hirsch: Exactly and if you play those tapes in your mind over and over again, that actually establishes a belief. It takes hold in your mind and your subconscious that forms a belief that this is possible. For lack of better words, it’s going back to the whole positive affirmation which sometimes can be considered mumbo jumbo but it really does work in your subconscious, the positivity.
Jory Fisher: Yes, it’s amazing and I think one of the things that Peter and Bob said is that if we send positive talk into our subconscious on a regular basis, that’s the key, then everything can get reprogrammed, the way we think and feel. I’m no brain scientist or even close to it, but in the little bit of brain science study that I’ve done, I’ve learned that we actually—our thoughts can actually create like a path or, I guess if it’s negative, we want to call it a rut; but this pathway – we have to really work on changing that pathway so it doesn’t remain there. That is stinking thinking and we want to move to a more positive way of thinking about it. It’s similar to habits. I mean the 90 days or whatever it takes to create a habit. You have to be very intentional about stopping that negative self-talk.
Karen Hirsch: Yes, and you can reprogram your brain. You can become a positive person. It takes some effort and most people frankly, you know, “Oh, I can never do that,” and they don’t really give it a shot, but even just a little bit, little tiny steps every day, even just small steps can make a huge difference. They can build upon themselves.
Jory Fisher: You know, Karen, I think a lot of this does come from childhood but at the same time, I don’t think we need to say to ourselves, “Oh, I had a bad childhood. My parents didn’t speak kindly to me so therefore my whole life is messed up,” but I think it is easier for those of us whose parents did affirm us. My brother and I were talking during his last visit. He and I were raised by a father who was very positive and a mother who was very negative, God bless her. Curt said that, as difficult a time as we had with our mom through some challenging, challenging situations, still, neither of us ever doubted her love for us. Yes, we had problems but I look at all the cards. I saved many cards when I was an adult that mom had written me and I think back to the things that she said. She always had an encouraging word for me and for my brother. I think that that helped shape us perhaps just as much as some of the challenges that we went through with her growing up.
Karen Hirsch: I think that can have a profound effect. I actually grew up in a somewhat negative home so these principles that we’ve been working through have been extremely helpful for me and I’ll be honest, it’s probably going to take more effort and more work for me than someone that did grow up in an affirming home.
Jory Fisher: Yes.
Karen Hirsch: Because if you take a white paint and mix it with black paint, it’s going to make a dark color. It can very easily be made dark. So it just takes a little bit extra effort; however, the rewards can almost be greater for those of us that are coming from that type of environment, that feeling of overcoming something so great and then being able to share it with others.
Jory Fisher: Yes, absolutely. It is and I have to tell you that as a coach, fear and doubt, limiting beliefs, all of that that, is probably one of the biggest hurdles that my clients have to get over and of course I had to and continue to at times have to get over them as well. It’s not like I’ve totally arrived and now all I do is help other people. I mean, these are things I have to work on as well. Yes, that’s something that is in this chapter, Chapter 10, that just a little bit of doubt can actually weaken or even kill a belief. So doubt is something we absolutely have to get over.
Karen Hirsch: That’s when you lean onto the Lord. When you see that coming and you are letting the black paint overtake the white paint and that’s when you seek guidance with Him and courage.
Jory Fisher: Good, very, very good. Well, y’all, I encourage you to read the entire book and we’ve been talking about Chapter 10 and we’re moving into Chapter 11, Strengthen Your Commitment.
Karen Hirsch: Yes. So the bottom line to this chapter is you are always committed to something and the only question really is, what are you committed to? Is it your comfort? Is it achieving your goals? No matter what, just like in being a believer when people say, “I’m an atheist, I don’t believe in anything.” Being an atheist is still believing and committing to something.
Jory Fisher: Right, right.
Karen Hirsch: You are committing to not having belief but it’s still a commitment. No matter what, you do have a commitment. What they are saying here is commitment especially in leadership positions, if you are the type of person that you do what you say and say what you do, those are the leaders or the people that really catapulted themselves in leadership positions. There is really nothing more fundamental to being a good leader than commitment, and it’s not saying that no matter what you’ve sacrificed everything and to do or die affair. It’s just saying that you’re just agreeing to play fully. Win, lose or draw, you are in, you’ve got skin in the game. You are willing to do what it takes and whether you feel like it or not frankly.
It’s so rare, Jory, to see that especially, I’d say it because you and I both have millennials, but it’s a very rare thing to see like true, I am all in, my chips are all in for this commitment. People are commitment phobic these days and so those people that have that principle and that fundamental characteristic, really rise to the top fairly quickly because it is so rare. It doesn’t take much to be a shining star, just do what you say and say what you do.
Jory Fisher: Wow. Good point. As you were talking, Gen. Patton came to mind and I was just thinking what if our military leaders were like, “Oh, let’s charge… maybe not. Okay, yes. Let’s charge now; let’s go in.” Gosh, to believe in your leaders, you have to absolutely trust them, absolutely trust them.
Karen Hirsch: That’s a really good example actually because they have to commit and follow through no matter what. Knowing that it could be a bad decision, they know. This might not be the right decision, that it’s decision I’m making now and I’m following through no matter what. We really should all be living life a little bit more like that but again, going back to the whole fear and fear of failure, we kind of waffle back and forth, but following things through is very powerful.
Jory Fisher: I’m going to give another example. You know that I am a Top Six Expert, which is a wonderful Mastermind Program I’m involved in. I love doing that. I have found that some people… (I love them. I absolutely love them; they’re good friends. They’ve perhaps been clients in other arenas.) … but some people are hesitant to commit to a program that is a proven program to help take your business to six figures and I know without a doubt [speaking of doubt] that part of this is because they are thinking, “Uh-oh, that means commitment and if I fully commit to something and then I fail, then I personally I’m a failure” or “If I fully commit to something, oh my gosh then I really am committed. I have to dedicate my time. I have to dedicate my energy. I have to dedicate my resources into making my business.” Another example would be losing weight. How many people don’t want to tell somebody that they are on a health program because then they’ve committed, and it’s like, “Uh-oh. Now people are going to be looking at me to see if I’m slimmer the next time they see me.” I think people are afraid to declare.
Karen Hirsch: We are very much a commitment phobic culture and holding ourselves accountable by telling other people, then you’ve thrown it out there and unless you are really serious…
Jory Fisher: Yes.
Karen Hirsch: Peter is very big on accountability and declaring what you are trying to do, and most us very much hesitate to do that. I don’t know, it could be because we’re just so stretched and we are so busy that adding another commitment is just overwhelming. I know at my church, they’ve actually, when you commit to serving in a certain capacity, they’ve lessened the time frame of commitment because they felt like they get more volunteers if it wasn’t such a commitment. It’s a sad thing to say but I guess we’re just so busy nowadays. But if you are an entrepreneur and you are trying to do business and build a business, commitment is huge. If you come across flaky and people don’t feel totally confident and you will follow through in your commitment, that will have huge impact on your business.
Jory Fisher: Huge, absolutely. Another area I was thinking of is relationships. There are probably some women out there right now thinking, “Oh gosh, I have a boyfriend. He just won’t commit to marrying me.” We always talk about the men who are afraid to commit. I’m sure there are some women who are afraid to commit too. But I think some of it is, yes, fear of failure, fear of divorce, but also, “Oh no, if I choose, what if somebody better comes along down the road?”
Karen Hirsch: It’s the whole grass is greener. “You know what, I thought this grass was pretty green but darn it, that Bermuda grass grew just down on the street and that’s looking pretty green.”
Jory Fisher: Yes. One of the quotes from the book is “Nothing happens without commitment.” Commitment is the secret ingredient in every recipe for success and fulfillment. So for those of you who are listening out there whether it’s a relationship issue, it’s your business, it’s your health, just do it. Plant your flag in the ground. Stake a claim, make a commitment.
Karen Hirsch: If it was the wrong decision, that’s okay. It’s not the end of the world but you made a commitment, you saw it through, you learn from the mistake and you move on. The worst mistake you could make is waffling and being indecisive and not moving forward.
Jory Fisher: Yes. So Seth Godin, I’m sure you’ve heard of him, he wrote this great book called The Dip and I strongly recommend everybody out there read it. It’s a quick little read but he does talk about how there may come a time in your journey that you hit a cul-de-sac but you need to make a decision to quit. So quitting is okay as long as you’re quitting for good reasons, but play full out first and then if it really is coming to a dead end – maybe it’s your business, maybe it’s a premarital relationship – then you can deal, but if you don’t fully commit first then you haven’t really given anything a good chance, so…
Karen Hirsch: And you always question yourself.
Jory Fisher: Always question.
Karen Hirsch: It will always be that nagging feeling. If you are all in and you decide to quit, move on, whatever, not having committed, going, “Well, what if I had hung in there a little bit longer? What if I would have done?” It will be a nagging annoyance forever.
Jory Fisher: Right, a nagging annoyance. Yes. Could have I made it as a violin performer? Could I have been a rock star? Could I, could I, could I? Then you’ll get to the end of your life and just always kind of wonder and it will be a sad dream. So let’s do this, right, Karen?
Karen Hirsch: Let’s do it.
Jory Fisher: So that just kind of rolls right on into chapter 12, which I know is one of your favorites.
Karen Hirsch: It is because really, I think it’s a fantastic summary to all the principles we’ve been discussing because the bottom line is, these are all great tips and tricks. It’s great guidance and wisdom and we can read it 20 times, but until we make a choice to apply it, it doesn’t really matter. We can read great books. We can read the Bible. We can do a lot of things but until we make a choice to commit to it, to take action, then it really was a waste of time. Frankly, choice is moment by moment, by the way. That was something that was really crucial to me.
Jory Fisher: Oh yes.
Karen Hirsch: I thought choices were these big decisions that I had to make and really choices build upon themselves. It’s just moment by moment choices throughout the day.
Jory Fisher: Like getting up out of bed.
Karen Hirsch: What am I going to eat when I order lunch? Am I going to order the burger or the salad? It seems like a very insignificant choice at the time, but building upon those choices day in and day out over time make a dramatic impact in your life.
Jory Fisher: They do. Recently, I was having a conversation with somebody about how it’s important to (maybe I wrote a blog post on it; I don’t remember now; I talk too much) … but about how it’s important to really think about how we’re spending our time and just check in with ourselves. Some people probably do it with an egg timer, but kind of check in, “Is this the best use of my time right now?”
Karen Hirsch: That was actually ours.
Jory Fisher: That was you?
Karen Hirsch: Yes, that was ours. So I’m going to take full credit for that, thank you.
Jory Fisher: Good. See, I can’t remember things at all. It starts to roll together but I do remember them. I just don’t remember the source.
Karen Hirsch: It’s all right. I’m not going to take it personally, but you know.
Jory Fisher: Yes. That’s so funny. So quoting Karen Hirsch, “What is the best use of our time right now?” So making a choice and it’s definitely a key to living the significant life. So how do we go about choosing? Of course it does make a difference whether we’re trying to make a decision about what dessert we want from the menu or which life partner do we want to spend the rest of our days with. It’s kind of a little bit different there but how do we go about choosing carefully, Karen?
Karen Hirsch: I think it’s a little bit easier to take when, like we were talking about making the smaller choices day in day out and minute by minute. The irony that I find is we’re really one of the few countries in the world where we have freedom of choice. We can choose whatever we have. The power to choose whatever we want for the most part, really not limited. So it’s ironic that so many of us don’t utilize the power that we have and choice, and maybe we’re just used to it. That’s how we were brought up but it really is a gift that we should definitely take more to heart and apply it to our lives.
Jory Fisher: Yes. We really are fortunate. In so many cultures, people don’t have a choice about what work they do, what schools they go to, what partners they marry, what faith they follow. I think this is a wise tip for parents. I had the opportunity to be part of this wonderful global effort, called Five Pieces of Advice and I was asked to give some of my advice regarding parenting. I just reached out to my kids and I said, “What did you like and not like about my parenting style?” You happen to know this young lady named Jana Beeson and one of the things Jana said is that she really appreciated that I didn’t micromanage and that I encouraged them to do what they were gifted in doing… what their calling was and I encouraged them to find their purpose and live that out. I guess my children will always remember that, which is kind of nice.
Karen Hirsch: You know what, I don’t think there is a better gift you can give your children. I think that’s fantastic because really, if every time you make a choice and you are choosing in favor of living a significant life, you’re going to be fine. You are going to be energized, uplifted, making choices towards positivity and significance, and serving others and you will be fine.
Jory Fisher: Yay! But it’s so sad when you talk to somebody whose parents really wanted them to become a lawyer and they are more gifted at being an art teacher or something, and it was funny. I was talking to a young lady. I’m her mentor and she goes to University of Virginia. It was kind of the opposite. She said that her parents really wanted her to be an artist and she wants to be a lawyer. I’m like, “Whoa, you don’t hear that very often. But yes, so I think parents need to have a lighter touch there sometimes and allow their children just to be who they really are.
Karen Hirsch: Yes. It can be hard. It can be hard to let go a little bit. Peter grew up in a Jewish faith and that culture is very much about you are a doctor or a lawyer and that’s pretty much your options. As you know, he went the law school direction because that was what was expected of him and he was miserable. He learned a lot. He doesn’t regret it.
Jory Fisher: He did great.
Karen Hirsch: He did great but that was not where his passion was. Now, he’s doing what he’s doing and helping eradicate childhood malnutrition and writing these books to help other people. His whole premise is serving others in this way. Of course his parents were disappointed, but they’ve come around. But I can tell you, it really is difficult having watched him go through that, feeling like a disappointment to his parents. It took awhile for them to come around and see that he’s fantastic doing what he’s doing and they should be very proud of him. So it took awhile but I can completely relate to what you are saying.
Jory Fisher: And changing the family faith too; that’s no light thing there.
Karen Hirsch: Yes. That’s a whole another show, sister.
Jory Fisher: At the end of these 12 Chapters, there is a really cool epilogue and it just happens to be on a subject near and dear to our hearts, social entrepreneurship. How do Peter and Bob weave these principles into social enterprise?
Karen Hirsch: Well, there is a lot of different ways but I think what it comes down to and I can really speak more for myself. I came from the corporate world. I was in media for many, many years and had a successful career, but never felt like I was serving a greater purpose. I was just climbing the corporate ladder and feeling a little unfulfilled. The beauty of social enterprise especially for women is you can have these conversions of being an entrepreneur and using those talents for social impact, for a greater purpose. You can go to bed at night and excited in the morning knowing that you are making a difference and you are making money because the beauty is, it’s okay to make money because the more money you make, the more you can pour those recourses into sustainable giving for these other needs, not even just childhood malnutrition. It could be for any social problem in the world. This model can be applied and it gives more of a balance to your life and that it’s not pound – what is that saying – a pound of flesh for every dollar or something. I don’t remember. You know what I’m saying.
Jory Fisher: Right.
Karen Hirsch: It’s just been so exciting to know that my little bit of effort is making a difference and I’m still able to bring a good income in. I’m able to help other women. Let’s be honest, social enterprise is tailor made for women, especially childhood malnutrition. That’s just something near and dear, that’s just how we’re wired as women. To be able to utilize that for profit, to benefit all the nonprofits out there trying to eradicate this problem, it’s the best of best worlds. I’m very passionate about it if you can’t tell. That’s kind of what they were trying to lay the groundwork in that there is a new model out there. You should consider it and they were really just trying to lay the groundwork and trying and get the message out there that there is a better and new way to handle these social problems.
Jory Fisher: Mm-hmm. We can take these 12 principles and weave them into something productive and meaningful that we’re passionate about, and one way of doing that is through social enterprise. One social enterprise that you and I are keenly aware of, same with Peter, would ne EMSquared. So I do want you to talk about that a little bit and I’ll just process it by saying, you all out there, I don’t know if there is anybody who hasn’t heard of Toms Shoes and that’s a perfect example of social enterprise because probably sometimes when we say social entrepreneurship, social enterprise, people don’t quite understand what we mean. Karen, can you say a little bit about that?
Karen Hirsch: Yes. A good analogy for that is we are the Toms Shoes of nutrition. What we’ve done is we’ve come up with revolutionary nutrition in the form of a bar. Just like if you were to go to go to a store and buy a Kind bar or a Paleo bar. There are so many of them on the market but on the market today, we are the most nutritionally dense that there is out there. What we do is we’re one for one model. So every time someone buys a bar to nourish themselves, which for a child is 100% of daily vitamins and minerals and it’s all whole food source. There’s no synthetic anything and 50% for adults. So every time you eat a bar, we’re taking that same nutrition and giving it to a malnourished child somewhere in the world l that is the most vulnerable. The money that we make, whereas Toms Shoes retails through Nordstrom and other retail outlets, we do it through Ambassadors. Ambassadors are paid to market this, spread the word, and build communities, and really just market the product. They get paid and then the money just sort of replenishes itself so as people get more and more involved, the money goes back into the cause and more children are nourished.
Jory Fisher: Yes, it’s pretty beautiful. I mean, every time I eat a Hope Bar or take my Hope Capsules, it’s like, “You know, this is pretty cool because a child is getting the same nourishment that I am.”
Karen Hirsch: Yes, it’s a great feeling.
Jory Fisher: It is. Of course for me having a bar that’s 50% of my daily needs and for a child 10 and under, that’s 100% of their daily needs. It’s very gratifying. It does help that the bars are delicious too.
Karen Hirsch: Yes.
Jory Fisher: Oh gee. I have to go eat my bar now. Dave actually, my husband, he’ll eat two a day. Two bars a day.
Karen Hirsch: Sometimes I do too. I will.
Jory Fisher: Yes.
Karen Hirsch: If I have a busy day, it’s just easier to grab a bar.
Jory Fisher: I know. Oh good, then I won’t feel guilty on the times that I have done it but yes. Why should I feel guilty? I’m helping more children!
Karen Hirsch: That’s right. Good for you.
Jory Fisher: Yes. We just shouldn’t be eating probably five a day because, you know… but anyway. Well good, so Karen, you’ve been such a delightful co-host. I really appreciate you taking your time since October. I guess it was December, right, that you’ve been on Heart & Soul for Women of Faith. You have been such a blessing, such a blessing. What has been the most joyful thing for you about being able to share your message here on Heart & Soul for Women of Faith?
Karen Hirsch: For me personally, you know, it has just been fun being able to spread the mission and I decided when you asked me to do this that I was just going to lay it out on the line, just be authentic, and just be myself, I was really nervous about it and I made myself do it. If I’m going to talk about the principles in this book, I better walk the walk and it has really been a growth time for me and I really appreciate, Jory, that you’ve given me the opportunity to do it and I appreciate the listeners for some of the calls that weren’t so great, know guys that it was so beneficial for me. I feel like I’ve grown a lot and I really appreciate the opportunity to explore this new side of me. It has been a joy and really, Jory, I appreciate it a lot.
Jory Fisher: I do too. We’ve had fun together and you know what you’re talking about is you made a choice to say, “Yes, Jory, I’ll be your co-host” even though you were nervous and you made a commitment and you stuck by it. You did exactly what Peter and Bob have been talking about in this book. Yay! Good for you.
Karen Hirsch: Yay! I did it!
Jory Fisher: You did it.
Karen Hirsch: Thanks for it.
Jory Fisher: Yes and there might be some people out there who don’t realize that this really is Karen’s last opportunity to be on Heart & Soul for Women of Faith. We have one more show which will be next week and Kim Crabill will be my co-host. We’re drawing to the end of Heart & Soul for Women of Faith. It has been such a beautiful, beautiful time for me. I’ve been doing this for almost seven years and moving on to some other things, which I’m very excited about; but it’s been such a blessing and we just really want to bless you, listeners, and I’m wondering, Karen, if you’d be so sweet as to say a special prayer for our listeners today.
Karen Hirsch: Oh I would love to. Lord, thank you that you’ve given us the capability and opportunity to change and grow in more positive mature directions. I know we can’t do it on our own so thank you for giving us the power to do these things through the Holy Spirit. May we remember, it is all through you and for you in Jesus’ name.
Jory Fisher: Thank you. And Lord, we also pray that you will just take our words that we’ve been saying for the past 6-7 months here about the book, Living the Significant Life and you will just take Karen’s and my words and of course everything that Peter and Bob wrote in the book and change lives. We know that people might be listening to this show months if not years, from now and we know that these words will not return empty, that for those who needed to hear this, they are listening. Lord, thank you for that. We ask a blessing on all of our listeners and thank you for the friendship that Karen and I have been able to develop over the past year or so. In your Son’s Holy Name, we pray, amen.
Well my dear, how might people get in touch with you?
Karen Hirsch: Email me is the best way and that is Karen, K-A-R-E-N, @EM2D.com, Karen@EM2D.com, for EMSquared.com. I would love to hear from anyone, answer any questions. It’s just always a joy to hear from anyone. I welcome you to email.
Jory Fisher: Great. My email is Jory@JoryFisher.com. If you do want to have a peek at the Hope Bar Project also known as EMSquared, you can just go to JoryFisher.com/ShareHope. Thank you everybody for listening to Heart & Soul for Women of Faith. You all know that I just love the music of David Nevue. I’m going to play that in the background here. This is Morning Has Broken and you could find more of David’s music at DavidNevue.com. Be sure to do that.
Anyway, thank you everybody. Thank you, Karen. You have been a wonderful, wonderful co-host.
Karen Hirsch: Thanks, Jory. It has been a joy and a pleasure. Thank you very much.
Jory Fisher: This is Jory Fisher and Karen Hirsch encouraging you to create optimal health for your life, ministry, and business so you can fulfill your purpose with joy and grace, and glorify God through success. Until we meet again. May the Lord bless you and keep you and be gracious onto you. May the Lord grant you prosperity and peace. Bye, Karen.
Karen Hirsch: Bye, Jory.
Transcription by Alma Noefe